From edward.kawas at gmail.com Tue Aug 1 18:20:28 2006 From: edward.kawas at gmail.com (Edward Kawas) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 15:20:28 -0700 Subject: [MOBY-l] RDF Agent Message-ID: <009701c6b5b8$b285f050$6700a8c0@notebook> Dear Service Providers, It brings us great pleasure to finally announce that the RDF agent will be placed on a cron job so that it can visit any and all of your registered services on mobycentral. For the next 2 months, the agent will be checking for invalid/dead services and only *reporting* them to the provider. No service will be removed by the agent at this time. However, changes in the service description that the agent encounters when comparing what it knows versus what you have in your document will be reflected in the registry. After the 2 month period, we will either enable the removal of 'dead' services or prolong the reporting of the dead services. Our decision will be based on your concerns and feedback and will be reported to this list. Our hopes are that service providers will use this time to generate RDF for their services and update the registration details for their services [http://mobycentral.icapture.ubc.ca:8090/servlets/forms/getSignatureForm]. Once your RDF has been generated, you can verify that the signatureURL has been set properly by looking for the URL in the RDF document. If you cannot find it, please contact us with the servicename/authority and we will look into the reasons why the URL failed to update. Please make sure to place the RDF document at the exact address that you specified when using the form. In addition to updating your services, please take the added step of testing the generated RDF [http://mobycentral.icapture.ubc.ca:8090/servlets/RDFAgent_test.html]. While testing, the agent will tell you whether your services are syntactically correct, and whether the agent can in fact read the remote RDF document. If the document can be read and services are found, the agent will describe your services. If you encounter any problems while generating the RDF, updating your services, or testing the agent, please post your concerns to the list so that we can solve your problems and that others can benefit from the solutions found. Thanks, Eddie From martin.senger at gmail.com Thu Aug 3 12:32:00 2006 From: martin.senger at gmail.com (Martin Senger) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 13:32:00 -0300 Subject: [MOBY-l] [MOBY-dev] RDF Agent In-Reply-To: <009701c6b5b8$b285f050$6700a8c0@notebook> References: <009701c6b5b8$b285f050$6700a8c0@notebook> Message-ID: <4d93f07c0608030931s37f09643k13fda711570394da@mail.gmail.com> I see there may be a small inconvenience. It may be solved using seveal scenarios, but I am not sure which way to go. The inconvenience I am talking about is for the Moses users/developers. In order to create a service implementation, the service must be registered. But when somebody registers a service, it does not exist yet, so its endpoint is a fake endpoint. And there will be always a time delay between registering the service and making it runnable. How would you suggest to solve this (if we want to solve it all, of course). Martin -- Martin Senger email: martin.senger at gmail.com skype: martinsenger From gordonp at ucalgary.ca Thu Aug 3 14:30:43 2006 From: gordonp at ucalgary.ca (Paul Gordon) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 12:30:43 -0600 Subject: [MOBY-l] [MOBY-dev] RDF Agent In-Reply-To: <4d93f07c0608030931s37f09643k13fda711570394da@mail.gmail.com> References: <009701c6b5b8$b285f050$6700a8c0@notebook> <4d93f07c0608030931s37f09643k13fda711570394da@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44D240D3.30408@ucalgary.ca> Perhaps to solve the issue, we should know why it needs to be registered before it's implemented? Martin Senger wrote: > I see there may be a small inconvenience. It may be solved using seveal > scenarios, but I am not sure which way to go. > > The inconvenience I am talking about is for the Moses users/developers. In > order to create a service implementation, the service must be registered. > But when somebody registers a service, it does not exist yet, so its > endpoint is a fake endpoint. And there will be always a time delay between > registering the service and making it runnable. > > How would you suggest to solve this (if we want to solve it all, of course). > > Martin > > From martin.senger at gmail.com Thu Aug 3 14:58:41 2006 From: martin.senger at gmail.com (Martin Senger) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 15:58:41 -0300 Subject: [MOBY-l] [MOBY-dev] RDF Agent In-Reply-To: <44D240D3.30408@ucalgary.ca> References: <009701c6b5b8$b285f050$6700a8c0@notebook> <4d93f07c0608030931s37f09643k13fda711570394da@mail.gmail.com> <44D240D3.30408@ucalgary.ca> Message-ID: <4d93f07c0608031158k55e4b469j3c2b3b0a09e43f74@mail.gmail.com> > Perhaps to solve the issue, we should know why it needs to be registered > before it's implemented? That' easy: because Moses is using information registered. Martin -- Martin Senger email: martin.senger at gmail.com skype: martinsenger From gordonp at ucalgary.ca Thu Aug 3 17:03:09 2006 From: gordonp at ucalgary.ca (Paul Gordon) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 15:03:09 -0600 Subject: [MOBY-l] [MOBY-dev] RDF Agent In-Reply-To: <4d93f07c0608031158k55e4b469j3c2b3b0a09e43f74@mail.gmail.com> References: <009701c6b5b8$b285f050$6700a8c0@notebook> <4d93f07c0608030931s37f09643k13fda711570394da@mail.gmail.com> <44D240D3.30408@ucalgary.ca> <4d93f07c0608031158k55e4b469j3c2b3b0a09e43f74@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44D2648D.7030300@ucalgary.ca> Perhaps then you can create that information locally first to avoid the chicken-egg issue? Registering is that last thing I do when I use MobyServlet (http://biomoby.open-bio.org/CVS_CONTENT/moby-live/Java/docs/deployingServices.html). In fact, MobyServlet will not let a service be registered unless it passes a live test... My CAD0.02 :-) >> Perhaps to solve the issue, we should know why it needs to be registered >> before it's implemented? >> > > > That' easy: because Moses is using information registered. > Martin > > > From markw at illuminae.com Mon Aug 21 11:14:44 2006 From: markw at illuminae.com (Mark Wilkinson) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 08:14:44 -0700 Subject: [MOBY-l] MOBY Milestone Message-ID: As of this weekend there are now >800 BioMoby services! At the beginning of the summer there were only ~650, so we're growing rapidly :-) I think we should organize a MOBY Cruise when we reach 1000! Mark -- -- Mark Wilkinson Assistant Professor, Dept. Medical Genetics University of British Columbia PI Bioinformatics iCAPTURE Centre, St. Paul's Hospital